Just a few interesting quotes from the MAGIC CBT KINGDOM and then see what you think.
“Referral to ‘specialists’ should be avoided as they can entrench illness behaviour."
So if I read this carefully, they say that there is no point in seeing anybody at the MAGIC CBT KINGDOM if you have ME, because CBT doesn’t help and it will actually make us WORSE.
If his Magic CBT Wand would help, we would all get better wouldn’t we, and no entrenchment and so. If you just read it again, you will see that he also says that we LIKE being ILL. We WANT to be ILL actually.
More NICE-ness from the MAGIC CBT KINGDOM: “Many patients receive financial benefits and payments which may be contingent on their remaining unwell. Recovery may therefore pose a threat of financial loss."
This is also called SECONDARY GAIN by psychiatrists, meaning that in their delusional minds they think we gain something from being ill.
“Referral to ‘specialists’ should be avoided as they can entrench illness behaviour."
So if I read this carefully, they say that there is no point in seeing anybody at the MAGIC CBT KINGDOM if you have ME, because CBT doesn’t help and it will actually make us WORSE.
If his Magic CBT Wand would help, we would all get better wouldn’t we, and no entrenchment and so. If you just read it again, you will see that he also says that we LIKE being ILL. We WANT to be ILL actually.
More NICE-ness from the MAGIC CBT KINGDOM: “Many patients receive financial benefits and payments which may be contingent on their remaining unwell. Recovery may therefore pose a threat of financial loss."
This is also called SECONDARY GAIN by psychiatrists, meaning that in their delusional minds they think we gain something from being ill.
Right, okay, just a few tiny scenarios. A twelve year old gets ME, he or she, was one of the brightest pupils in his/her class, and wanted to become a PSYCHIATRIST. How much do they earn??
Well, with some private work, for example being the medical advisor of INSURANCE companies, advisor to the MOD (Ministry Of Defence) and so, he would earn a VERY GOOD living. But instead he spends his days in BED.
Say he would earn a HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS PLUS if he would be this psychiatrist, but instead he hasn’t improved one iota, and is still bedbound and on Incapacity Benefits.
Well, with some private work, for example being the medical advisor of INSURANCE companies, advisor to the MOD (Ministry Of Defence) and so, he would earn a VERY GOOD living. But instead he spends his days in BED.
Say he would earn a HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS PLUS if he would be this psychiatrist, but instead he hasn’t improved one iota, and is still bedbound and on Incapacity Benefits.
“How much is Incapacity Benefit?
Incapacity Benefit (ICB) is payable at three rates, depending upon the length of time you have been unable to work. The basic rates below are from April 2007, and they usually go up each April.
Short-term lower rate (for first 28 weeks of being unable to work) - £61.35 a week.
Short-term higher rate (for weeks 29-52 of being unable to work) - £72.55 a week.
Long-term rate (for after 52 weeks of being unable to work) - £81.35 a week.”
Incapacity Benefit (ICB) is payable at three rates, depending upon the length of time you have been unable to work. The basic rates below are from April 2007, and they usually go up each April.
Short-term lower rate (for first 28 weeks of being unable to work) - £61.35 a week.
Short-term higher rate (for weeks 29-52 of being unable to work) - £72.55 a week.
Long-term rate (for after 52 weeks of being unable to work) - £81.35 a week.”
(thanks to http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069018/ )
So, instead of, lets say one hundred and four thousand pounds a year, which equals TWO THOUSAND POUNDS a WEEK, as he would at least earn as this psychiatrist with all his other jobs, he gets £81.35 a week.
He has been bedbound for ages remember, and hasn't been able to work or even do his school work, to get his GCSE’s, or any other diploma. Remember, who were most at risk for ME? Teachers, doctors and other health care workers.
So what does the average teacher earn??
£ 26,000 pounds (figures from 2002 !!!) but I use them, as there are 52 weeks in a year, so it is easier for my brain to do the maths. So they earn five hundred pounds a week, have a NICE social Life, do a job they like etc.
So, instead of, lets say one hundred and four thousand pounds a year, which equals TWO THOUSAND POUNDS a WEEK, as he would at least earn as this psychiatrist with all his other jobs, he gets £81.35 a week.
He has been bedbound for ages remember, and hasn't been able to work or even do his school work, to get his GCSE’s, or any other diploma. Remember, who were most at risk for ME? Teachers, doctors and other health care workers.
So what does the average teacher earn??
£ 26,000 pounds (figures from 2002 !!!) but I use them, as there are 52 weeks in a year, so it is easier for my brain to do the maths. So they earn five hundred pounds a week, have a NICE social Life, do a job they like etc.
Or what if this young Boy was signed by Man U at the age of NINE, as the next MICHAEL OWEN or WAYNE ROONEY, as he loves sports and happens to be very good at it. He would then go on to earn MILLIONS playing the game he loves????
Remember, he is getting £81.35 a week, he is now twentyfive, still bedbound and still lives with his elderly MUM and DAD.
Because he needs help with almost anything. Girlfriends and so, going to a NICE game of rugby or football, going for a run, an evening out with his mates etc???
All down the drain thanks to ME. Another life destroyed before it even started, and the BIG EARNERS at the CBT KINGDOM, continue to spread their so called wisdom.
So what is this young, bedbound Michael or Eileen, remember he/she, has been bedbound for many many years, and might even be BEDBOUND, or severely disabled for LIFE.
So what is he getting?? Yes, your MATHS are spot on. £ 81.35 a week, equals just over FOUR thousand pounds a year. So a VERY GOOD reason indeed to be ill.
How long do you need to study to become a psychiatrist and come up with this sort of utter NONSENSE??? But SIMPLE maths and COMMON SENSE is apparently NOT a requirement to become a MEMBER of the CBT KINGDOM.
Because he needs help with almost anything. Girlfriends and so, going to a NICE game of rugby or football, going for a run, an evening out with his mates etc???
All down the drain thanks to ME. Another life destroyed before it even started, and the BIG EARNERS at the CBT KINGDOM, continue to spread their so called wisdom.
So what is this young, bedbound Michael or Eileen, remember he/she, has been bedbound for many many years, and might even be BEDBOUND, or severely disabled for LIFE.
So what is he getting?? Yes, your MATHS are spot on. £ 81.35 a week, equals just over FOUR thousand pounds a year. So a VERY GOOD reason indeed to be ill.
How long do you need to study to become a psychiatrist and come up with this sort of utter NONSENSE??? But SIMPLE maths and COMMON SENSE is apparently NOT a requirement to become a MEMBER of the CBT KINGDOM.
Now you might think this is it. But you are VERY WRONG indeed. Remember, the CBT KINGDOM also work as advisors for a VERY LARGE INSURANCE company that deals with income protection due to ILL HEALTH. And what where they doing in November 2001???
They had a conference and the subject was:
‘Malingering and Illness Deception.’ And the idea was not only that people with ME are MALINGERERS and trying TO DECEIVE you, but also to reclassify ME as a psychiatric disorder.
As a change in classification would save the insurance industry millions of dollars/pounds. They adopted the bio-psychosocial model, which basically means we are all NUTTERS.
“The solution is not to cure the sick, but a ‘fundamental transformation in the way society deals with sickness and disabilities’, as in, DO NOT HELP THOSE WHO CAN’T WORK, STOP their BENEFITS.
They had a conference and the subject was:
‘Malingering and Illness Deception.’ And the idea was not only that people with ME are MALINGERERS and trying TO DECEIVE you, but also to reclassify ME as a psychiatric disorder.
As a change in classification would save the insurance industry millions of dollars/pounds. They adopted the bio-psychosocial model, which basically means we are all NUTTERS.
“The solution is not to cure the sick, but a ‘fundamental transformation in the way society deals with sickness and disabilities’, as in, DO NOT HELP THOSE WHO CAN’T WORK, STOP their BENEFITS.
Interested in more NICE-ness from these guys???
“Sickness is a temporary phenomenon. Illness is a behaviour.” Again psychobabble for saying that we are MENTALLY VERY ILL. But if you are that MENTALLY ILL as they claim, you must be so CRAZY that everybody could see that.
What is the whole IDEA of this gang?? Not only to stop payments by the insurance companies, but also to stop Incapacity Benefits to severely disabled people.
What is the whole IDEA of this gang?? Not only to stop payments by the insurance companies, but also to stop Incapacity Benefits to severely disabled people.
I would love to be up and about and be back at work, back running again and so, and that is what I’m aiming for, but between then and now it helps a lot if I just get some money to be able to EAT and so. Aids my recovery as well, if I don’t have to worry about FOOD.
Uhum, as you can imagine my ICB is so much LOWER than my normal pay that my savings for a NICE holiday with the family, or to replace my seventeen year old car at some stage, have disappeared quicker than you can say YES.
Uhum, as you can imagine my ICB is so much LOWER than my normal pay that my savings for a NICE holiday with the family, or to replace my seventeen year old car at some stage, have disappeared quicker than you can say YES.
Even keeping afloat on ICB is not easy. So instead of aiding my recovery, they want to stop ALL payments to people with ME. Will they stop all payments to other people with disabling mental or physical diseases who can’t work as well??
It might be good to bring up the case of a guy in the US who had a TINY problem, thanks to the CBT KINGDOM, with his insurance company. They refused to pay him for EIGHT years. And guess what, he disagreed and took them to Court.
He not only won, but was paid the outstanding money with interest and a bit of extra cash for the inconvenience caused by this SILLY insurance company, and its medical advisors who have their brain turned off. If I were the company I would actually sue my advisors!!!!
He not only won, but was paid the outstanding money with interest and a bit of extra cash for the inconvenience caused by this SILLY insurance company, and its medical advisors who have their brain turned off. If I were the company I would actually sue my advisors!!!!
“Result:
Jury verdict.
Jurors found that the insurance companies had no reasonable basis to deny Merrick's claim and awarded Merrick $1,147,355 for past unpaid benefits. They also awarded him $500,000 for emotional and mental distress.
After finding that the insurance companies acted in bad faith and with "oppression, fraud or malice," the jury ordered Paul Revere Insurance to pay $2 million in punitive damages and UNUMProvident to pay $8 million in punitive damages.” (He had an Insurance with PR which was a subdivision of UNUM and acting on their orders.)
Or just click on http://www.friedmanrubinwhite.com/news.htm if you want to read more.
And stopping all payments is what they are after, supported by the CBT KINGDOM, no MORE money for disabled people who WANT TO WORK but simply can’t (temporarily).
A psychiatrist should then KNOW that to aid recovery it helps if you can use your energy to get better instead of fighting silly insurance companies advised by even sillier SO CALLED MEDICAL ADVISORS. More NICE-ness from the KINGDOM another time.
Oh, I completely forgot two things:
The recently finished Gibson Enquiry states further that: “In Britain, there has been a clear historical bias towards research into the psychosocial explanations of CFS/ME. This is despite Parliament recognising ME as a physical illness in a Private Members Bill, the ME Sufferers Bill, in 1988.”
Furthermore it mentions that “The WHO (World Health Organisation) in Geneva holds an internationally recognised classification that ME is a neurological disease."
And in February 2004, the then Health Minister (Lord Warner) made it very clear, in a formal written acceptance, that the UK ACCEPTS the World Health Organisation classification of ME as a neurological disorder.” But hey, NOT of any interest to the CBT KINGDOM whatsoever.
And now just read the so called NICE guidelines on ME again. More than a hundred pages and NOWHERE do they mention that ME is a NEUROLOGICAL illness. What did you say, they call themselves INDEPENDENT, yeah right.
7 comments:
Thank you for alerting me to this post Dr S. As you know I am having my own problems with the very same BIG INSURANCE COMPANY. Indeed I have been asked by them to go and see the same trickcyclist who organised the 'Malingering and Illness Deception' conference. Aren't I the lucky one ?!!
This very morn I sent a letter to the BIG INSURANCE COMPANY telling them that, though I was everso honoured to receive their request, I felt I must decline since there is nothing wrong with me psychiatrically.
I await their reply. Wonder what they'll say ? Let me guess.......
Dr Speedy's readers may be interested in dipping into the Stakeholder Comments submitted as part of the NICE Guideline draft consultation process and the Responses made by the NICE Guideline Development Group (GDR). The complete set of documents can be downloaded from the NICE website
These documents set out in tabular format the Comments to the draft guideline which were submitted not only by UK ME charities and patient organisations but also by Stakeholders such as Kings College CFS Service and the Barts CF Service. There are some interesting Comments from the Association of British Neurologists which have been compiled for Co-Cure by Tom Kindlon. Tom has also compiled some extracts from the Comments submitted by Barts. These can be read on MEagenda Blog
Prof Peter White of Barts CF Service co-authored the NICE CFS/ME Guideline Editorial which was published in the BMJ, in August 2007. Prof White is Principal Investigator for the controversial PACE trials. The Comments from Barts are particularly chilling.
Thanks meagenda for pointing this out. I'll see what I can do with these in a BLOG.
Dr Speedy.
Dear All,
It says here that I removed one of my comments,
that is NOT true.
What I did write was something like, that It might be worthwhile checking with a local ME support group if they have dealt with this problem before and if they know a local consultant etc who has more balanced view about a neurologocal illness than a psychiatrist from the CBT KINGDOM.
All the best,
Dr Speedy.
Loved the secondary gains post.
Well done.
Tom
thx for all your comments,
much appreciated.
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